Basis of Investigation:
We did not have to verify this complaint,
like most -- it happened to one of our own
staff! So we had day-by-day coverage of all
the details surrounding the marketing scam.
Here is only a summary.
History:
Our Staff member used to have long distance
service with WorldCom, which was a fairly
good company to deal with, before their ill-fated
merger with MCI. After that merger, they
started to force all residential customers to deal with the
incompetent reps at MCI, almost all of whom
were really rude, nasty women. Our staff
member, also a woman, said: "I can't
put up with these ignorant bl--- bi----s
at MCI ! I simply have to change long distance
providers."
The Seduction:
Since 1999, AT&T has been offering very
low long distance rates, in an effort to
seduce old customers back to AT&T --
kind of let bygones be bygones. She should
have never fallen for it. But you only learn
by trying things out. Here was the offer
-- see if you wouldn't have bit:
"We can now give you 5 to 7 cents per
minute long distance rates to anywhere in
the country, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
-- no restrictions, unlike before. In addition,
if you change over today, we will credit
ALL transfer fees with your telephone company,
and give you 60 free minutes per month anywhere
in the U.S., in the first 3 months -- total,
180 free minutes."
Sounds great, eh? Should have asked them
to put it in writing, but of course, they
wouldn't. Instead, our staff member carefully
calculated her current long distance usage,
and figured that with this offer, she would
pay NOTHING for long distance service for
at least the first 3 months. Why not take
it?
The AT&T rep who signed her up, confirmed
this offer -- in retrospect, we think AT&T
would have said "yes" to anything,
just to get the business. Note that during
the setup stage, AT&T reps managed to
find the time to call 2-3 times per day,
for almost a week, repetitively asking for
approval to change LD carriers with the local
telephone provider. But once switched over,
that was the LAST our staff member ever heard
from AT&T. Worse still, that was the
last time she ever COULD reach them to discuss
the account, billing problems, or insane
charges.
The Result:
Our staff member happened to have a visitor
from out of state come for a few days, so
what better time to test out the new "5-7
cent" per minute service! Her friend
was on the phone 50 minutes to his business,
and when she got the bill for that call she
almost died! It was billed at 82 cents per minute, with a $3.00 connect fee, for a total of
$44.00, just for one call!
The rest of the bill was equally shocking.
Basically for a month's calling that would
have cost about $21.00 with WorldCom, she
was billed over $120.00 -- and in addition,
NONE of the connect fees had been reversed
-- and NO 60 minute-per-month free minutes had been
deducted from the bill.
What AT&T had done, is effectively charge
this returning customer the FULL maximum
rate that AT&T had been ripping people
off with for more than 2 decades. To cut
a long story short, 3 months later, the problem
still hadn't been resolved. While she was
trying to get out of this AT&T scam,
bills kept rolling in at $100-120 per month,
when AT&T actually started DOUBLE BILLING
-- meaning she would get the charges appear
on her local telephone bill, AND AT&T
would also bill her directly, on a separate
statement, for similar charges. But they
were different enough that you couldn't really
tell what was being billed on what, and which
was overlapping or equivalent to which charges
on the other bill. IT WAS A NIGHTMARE!
Unable to Reach AT&T:
Now that major billing problems had surfaced,
it became impossible to reach AT&T at
all to discuss the situation. They have one
number and one number ONLY for all billing
inquiries. She called so many times over
so many weeks, and never could get hold of
anyone on that line, it got to the point
that we were beginning not to believe her.
So we had another staff member try to reach
AT&T at their customer support line,
and he waited on the phone OVER AN HOUR,
and never did get to talk to anyone. Such
lack of prompt customer support on the telephone
is unacceptable for a company that is supposed to have invented
the telephone. Don't they know how
to use
their own invention?
Finally, she did reach a support person,
who was unable or unwilling to do anything at all -- saying
they could not reverse any of the charges,
since the calls were made, and they didn't
know why she had not been credited the connect
fees or the 60 free minutes per month --
even implied that AT&T does not give
any free minutes per month. But of course
it all depended on which "PLAN"
she was on. The company has so many plans,
they don't know what the hell they're doing.
For a company that offers such a wonderful
5-7 cent-per-minute one-rate plan to everyone, you would think that the sales reps would
have heard about it, wouldn't you?
What a massive scam!
Resolution:
Finally, we got a fax number that we were
told by 3 AT&T representatives fed directly
into their customer service department, and
that any faxes received would be handled
immediately. So we faxed notes, refusals
to pay the bills, requests, and even pleas to call us so that we can sort out the bills
-- this went on for 2-3 months, and
NOT ONCE
during that time did anyone from AT&T
ever call or write, or do anything whatsoever
to fix or even discuss the problems.
In the end, nothing ever did get solved.
No change-over fees were credited, no free
minutes were applied, no credits were given,
no adjustments were made, and most of all,
no one ever called -- all of this from a company who supposedly
lives by the telephone -- and they can't even use it! All they sent was a demand to pay by credit
card using an automated system -- with no
way to talk to anyone! Once they get you
hooked, they play so hard to get, hoping
you'll give up and pay. They were not the
slightest bit interesting in living to any
promises.
This is the most disgusting customer abuse
-- by totally ignoring people, like they
didn't even exist -- that we have ever seen in our lives. Finally, we found a sympathetic
ear in our local telephone carrier
-- who
must have received hundreds of like
complaints,
or who didn't want to get involved
in the
dispute. They were kind enough to reverse
all the AT&T charges applied to
her long-standing
good account, because she had a perfect
credit
history with the local carrier, and
didn't
want it jeopardized by AT&T's incompetence.
The Perfect Scam:
If it were not for the local carrier, she
would have been forced to pay AT&T extortion
charges, or else lose her telephone service.
But just imagine the sheer number of people,
businesses and corporations who aren't so
fortunate, or who don't look at their telephone
bills. These people and companies are being
scammed wholesale by AT&T, who seems
to be relying on the hope that most people won't notice
the rip off, and will just pay the bills
without question.
Add to that the intentional put-off of having
to wait over an hour on the phone just to
talk to a useless AT&T rep, who "can't
do anything about it", plus a customer
service department who evidently just sits
back and laughs while they burn the stream
of complaints that are faxed to them, plus
a company that never even calls you to find
out why you haven't paid their bills, and
you have the perfect recipe for one of the
biggest scams in America today -- fraud by
initial deception and lying to you, never
fulfilling promises, and then flat-out ignoring
you!
Right on, AT&T -- so well orchestrated,
we can't imagine a better way to defraud
the public -- just promise the world, and
then play dumb as to why you "just can't
seem to get it together". You readers
decide for yourselves whether this entirely
foolproof scheme was crafted by AT&T,
or whether they are just "a big dumb
behemoth" too messed up to know better.
If the latter, then how can they just ignore the thousands of complaints they must receive
daily? How can they conduct business without
even calling customers, to see what is wrong
-- why they haven't paid this month's bill?
Would you do this? If so, how long would
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Conclusion:
In the absence of any logical evidence to
the contrary, we must conclude that AT&T
is hiding behind the label of a "monstrous
and complex company", making mileage
on that perception and allowing wholesale consumer fraud to
go on, simply turning a blind eye to it, and pretending
that they didn't even know about it. You
can be sure that if the government ever called
them to question (that chance expires on
Dec. 31, 2000, after which Bush gets in),
their response would go exactly like this:
"Yes, we admit we've had some problems
in the past, but we're working very hard
to correct them now, and we're confident,
moving forward, that we'll have them all
sorted out real soon."
Notice all the typical platitudes, buzz words
and conciliatory remarks that American companies
have become so good at, to completely hide
the fact that they are conducting massive
consumer fraud on a daily basis, and couldn't
care less! The point behind those remarks
is that you are just a "casualty"
in their messed up plodding forward, and
if your credit history gets marred because
of their problem, then that's just too bad for you.
You never should have believed them in the
first place.
The conclusion is, as of the end of December,
the Federal Government will be absolutely
powerless to do anything about this type
of wholesale public consumer fraud, used
by the biggest screwed-up companies in the
country. So get set for a wonderful new 4
years of growing big-company liberties and
ever-diminishing consumer freedoms -- because
that is exactly what we are headed toward.
Only through repetitive class-action
suits against the government, for failure
to enforce its laws, like the Uniform Commercial
Code and Consumer Protection Act, can the
public ever see reprieve. In the mean time,
this should have given you adequate warning
to stay away from A, T and T.
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Principles Involved:
One of the most important principles
you
can learn from this true episode, is
that
if you left AT&T years ago, it
was for
a good reason. Don't doubt your decision
-- stick with it.
We also learned an important point, as we
were dragged through this ordeal, and that
is: don't ever sign up with a long-distance carrier
who will apply their charges to your local
telephone bill. When you find those charges to be fraudulent,
and refuse to pay them, you will be damaging
your otherwise good credit standing with
your local telephone carrier. Our staff member
who was affected, was fortunate to have sympathetic
ears at the local carrier's office. You may not be so lucky. Look for a long distance carrier
who bills you separately, and GO WITH THEM!
Third, after going though weeks of searching
the Internet and phone numbers for better
long distance companies, we learned one clear
truism: NONE -- repeat NONE -- of the long-distance
providers that carry big ads on the television
are safe to deal with. They are all trying
to scam you in one way or another, and they're
all exceptionally good at hiding the catches and caveats in their
1001 different plans, that are all guaranteed
to be better than everyone else's. Don't
believe ANY of it!!
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HERE IS ANOTHER PERSON SCAMMED BY AT&T
-- JUST IN, JUNE 25, 2001:
I had decided to switch long distance companies
from MCI. I found
out AT&T had the best rate, at
first
I was apprehensice since they
did slam me the year before (illegal
switching
of phone companies).
The rate was good, and since I phone
Canada
a lot, their
International plan (under $4.00) a
month
for .09/min was the best I
found. I immediatly switched. I made
my regular
calls through the
month and just got my phone bill. I
was actually
charged .90/min.
Racking my what should be $55.41 bill
to
$197.11. I phoned up AT&T,
and explained my story, I was put on
hold
and then was disconnected.
I phoned a second time, explanined
my story
again, and again I was
disconnected when put on hold. This
then
happened a thrid time.
Finally the 4th time, I wasn't disconnected
at all (really good for a
phone company) and was advised I hadn't
signed
up for any
International calling plan.
I then got my welcom letter and there
it
showed a Calling Plan "One
Rate 9 cents". On the description
it
says "Qualifying AT&T calls
include direct-dialed domestic and
internatinoal
long distance". So
of course I assumed this was my international
calling plan. I then
was told to fax this in. I was then
given
the wrong number to fax to
and then had to call up for the 5th
time,
only to be sent to a
manager (after a long wait). Turns
out this
manager didn't deal with
this situation, but gave me another
fax number.
I finally sent it
in, without hearing a single thing
from AT&T
about this issue.
It seems with their wording in the
Plans
they have, almost any plan
can look like another one. So get someone
that wants an
international plan, substitute it for
one
that kind of matches it and
confuses the reader thinking everything
is
right and then boom, they
get you for some horrendous calling
rate...
P.J. -- no state given
{Note: please give your state when
you write
in -- the states need to know they
are supporting
big company fraud. Unless they are
implicated
too, they will do nothing about it
!!!}
Comment on the above incident:
Same old customer abuse all over again, exactly
as in the original complaint. AT&T has
so many different rates contrived, and so
many incompetent employees, they have enough
excuses piled up to last until the end of
life as we know it. The FTC NEEDS TO STOP
THIS IMMEDIATELY -- but you can be sure they
are in bed with the "majors", and
will do nothing about it -- guaranteed!!!
AT&T is THE largest telecommunication
carrier in the world, and they are
THE largest
scammer of the American public -- no
contest.
So what were we told about our
government
providing that elusive "comsumer
protection"?
Baloney. And look at worthless
George Bush, a total puppet to the
biggest
corporations in America! What
hope
does the public have of getting fair
and
honest treatment by the biggest monoplies
in America, under his corrupt "leadership"
(if you can call it that) ???
NEWS FLASH! -- AT&T Defrauds 89 Year Old "Grandpa"
Here is a reader submission -- we find
it
disgusting that Grandpa was treated
this
way. How can one of the largest companies
in America NOT take the time to shake
up
their staff, or throw them out ????
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I just found your page. Good job, indeed.
While visiting my Grandfather
yesterday evening, he remarked to me that
his long distance does not
work. He is 89, lives alone and is blind.
I tried to dial myself, and it does not work.
A recording comes on
saying the call cannot be connected as dialed.
Gr'pa said he's made
numerous calls to try to get it fixed, he's
been hung up on by AT&T,
switched to an Ameritech operator and left
on hold/switched to wrong
departments.
I called myself this morning and a woman
named Marjory Gordon in the
Team Management Dept, told me that she was
unable to help me. I was
referred there after speaking with customer
service. All together I've
spent over half an hour and gotten nowhere.
There is no customer
support to speak of with AT&T. When I
told them this was the service
of a blind senior citizen, this woman actually
laughed and said "Yes"!
-- As if it was funny, and what did I expect
AT&T to do about it?
He cannot call either of his children, and
only one grandchild lives within
the local calling area. His wife died last
year. This is unconscionable.
K. B., Ohio -- May 13, 2002
Note the crux of this letter -- There is no customer support to speak of
with AT&T.
No truer words were ever spoken, as far as
the complaints go that we receive.
Add to that rude, ignorant employees who
laugh at serious predicaments --
and what do you have? Something the FTC should
investigate.
AT&T Billing Nightmare
THIS READER SUBMISSION SHOWS HOW AT&T CAN DO EVERYTHING WRONG --
In
September 2001, I moved from a home office into a rented office space. I
had 5 telephone lines from Ameritech. I requested AT&T to be my long
distance carrier. I also obtained two 800 numbers for my business. After
taking care of $400.00 worth of long distance charges for a six-week time
period, I contacted a long distance carrier called PowerNet Global to take
over my long distance charges. I signed a request for changeover and faxed
it to PowerNet Global, listing both numbers and that AT&T was the current
carrier. Since I requested the 800 numbers from AT&T, I thought that
the basic dial tone service for those numbers would always be billed from
AT&T. I paid $60 a month for the two 800 numbers to AT&T and paid
long distance calls (incoming/outgoing) to PowerNet Global.
I came to find out when I called AT&T to change office locations
in the beginning of 2003, that they had not been handling those numbers since
January 2002! They had billed me for an entire year, knowing that they weren't
providing the service for which they were billing me. Needless to say, I
stopped paying the line charges. The rep on the phone said "well, I guess
you want a refund, right?" but she couldn't tell who to contact to ask for
one. To top things off, I started getting collection notices for the 3
months I hadn't paid so far...I tried to send an email to the AT&T customer
service center (because I could talk to a REAL person, just by fax or internet).
That was March 24, 2003. It is June 20, 2003 and I STILL haven't received
a response. After I filed a complaint with the FCC, I got a curt letter
from AT&T stating that so-and-so spoke with me on March 25, 2003 and
that since I paid the bills, that meant I accepted the charges. Well, I
DID NOT speak with ANYONE that day, nor did I ever speak with the person
named in the letter. When I called the person I supposedly spoke with, she
said "well, you talked to someone before, didn't you?".
The crux of the matter is : AT&T has a policy that they do not disconnect
the numbers unless they get a call from the customer requesting that the
numbers be disconnected. Well, I didn't want the numbers disconnected, just
transferred to another carrier. And, the reason I didn't know the other
carrier was handling the 800 numbers themselves is that they were FREE from
this particular carrier. To this day, I still have not given the direction
to AT&T to disconnect those 800 numbers. But I think they have, as I
haven't received another bill from them for the basic dial tone. I just get
calls from their collection agency.
My attorney wants to file a class action lawsuit against them. I'm
trying to gather information for this task. They took me for a thousand
dollars and I'm still being harassed by their collection agency. I need
to find where the policy is that says they won't disconnect unless the consumer
calls, which in contradictory to the paperwork I signed for the new carrier
that stated all services were to be transferred.
J. K. [no state given]
June 20, 2003
IF THAT DOESN'T CONVINCE YOU TO BE WARY, WHAT WILL???
( Aside: --We wouldn't pay for a class action suit. In the past, AT&T
has weathered decades of class action suits, and always comes out on top.
So why sink more money into an already-losing scenario? If the attorney
does it pro bona (i.e. for free) it's another matter -- but not to pay.)
Here is the latest about MCI -- many problems with MCI -- we thought this
was worth reading ....
I truly believe MCI is setting up Fraudulent Accounts!
Detailed Complaint: MCI set up and is trying to charge me for long-distance
service on a nonexistent phone # MCI won't give an explanation of how it
could happen, they just want to credit me & sweep it under the rug.
Yet the phone has been disconnected for over 3 months (a teen line). Then
MCI last month gave 245-3811 a new account # under my name & address
& are sending me a minimal service charge of $5.00 plus tax (yet there's
no phone or service at that number, to even make local calls from let alone
long-distance.) Even when I questioned MCI on possible fraudulent activities,
They are quick to respond with another offer for a free phonecard, but
yet no explanation on how an account could be set up on a nonexistent phone
number I had disconnected 3 months ago. I truly believe MCI is scamming
people and when caught they try to settle it with gifts & free offers.
Most who catch it will settle with these tactics, as were only talking
$6-10 per month. MCI knew that # was disconnected . Is this not FRAUD?
M.L.L.
Latest Update 15 August, 2003
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